A whatever weeks ago I wrote a article most husband/wife guild leaders who were using the older double-roll cheat in a newborn artefact today that plunder doesn't bond to a character for two hours. I also mentioned in that article the newborn trend in raids, specially PUG raids, of substance metallic for an component that someone else has evenhandedly won.
This hebdomad I conventional an e-mail from a contestant feeling guilt for commerce an item. I'd aforementioned to come his status first. Then I'll speech most what you as an tar should study when this status arises in your guild.
Dear Scott,
I wasn't every trusty who to communicate for this, and sight as how the Officer's Quarters article you write seems to be the most "Dear Abby" esque that I crapper find, well, I figured you strength be healthy to support me out.
With the recent implementation of being healthy to provide "mislooted" items to another qualified members of a assail upon a bosses completion, there has apparently been a aggregation of shout to this newborn change. Abuse which, until rattling recently, I had been abhorrently against. However, I was place into much a status recently, and well, satisfy it to say, I am a bumbling hypocrite.
The story: After digit shotting 25 Negro Onyxia, the Sharpened Obsidian Edged Blade dropped. I currently impact Reckoning, so the brand was definitely an upgrade, but null major. To my amazement, I actually won the listing (something which, in a PUG 25 man, against half a dozen another rollers, well, was surprising to feature the least). I got the connatural "dude, I'll acquire that from you", every that jazz, which I casually laughed soured as I usually do.
After the raid, I was approached rattling humbly by the assail leader, asking if I was fascinated in selling. I said no, as usual. However, he went on to vindicate to me how it was the last thing he necessary before Icecrown, and after inspecting his gear, I saw that he was telling the truth. He offered me a handsome turn of metallic in exchange for the item. After much deliberation, and whatever influences from the Utilitarian method of thinking, I amply traded the brand for the stakes of gold. How much I won't say, but sufficiency to crushed whatever 80, let's place it at that.
For whatever think however, I ease wager a lowercase filthy most this transaction; aforementioned I had not exclusive absent against my possess values and principles, but that I had condemned advantage of a grouping which was implemented in the prototypal place to support correct pillaging errors, not earmark the richest people to but acquire soured the plunder from whomever wins it.
Also, how does Blizzard wager toward players commerce in mettlesome plunder for in mettlesome metallic to digit another, despite the fact that I lawfully won the item, and for every intensive purposes, should impact kept it for myself? Did I propellor over the another rollers in the raid, or erst the component was mine, was it ok for me to then do as I gratify with it? In the daylong haul, especially with Icecrown correct around the corner, and my demand of raiding time, I wager aforementioned I got the meliorate modify of the deal. All the same, something ease feels a bit off. Any help/advice you could provide would be appreciated.
Clansey
Hi, Clansey. It's awful what a whopping pile of metallic crapper do, isn't it? When you're grappling to grappling with a trading pane and a full aggregation of zeros, appearance crapper shift. I don't blame you for attractive him up on the offer, and I wouldn't feature you needs did anything wrong.
It doesn't sound to me aforementioned you're in a raiding guild. If you were, and you passed up on a field raise for money, then a housing could be made that you weren't doing every you could to support your guild succeed.
But if you're meet an average contestant feat most his possess business, it's completely up to you whether the weapon or the modify is worth more. You happened to choose the cash. Considering that meliorate weapons module soon be available, I'd feature it's a conscious decision.
Not exclusive that, but you also helped discover someone who is in a raiding guild and who wants to be as embattled as doable feat into the incoming tier. So, farther from fighting yourself up over it, you should wager it as a beatific thing -- a tending that helped discover both of you and harmed no one.
(A hurried aside: I wager obligated to saucer out, as a man paladin, that Reckoning isn't doing you whatever favors. Unless you're playing a "protribution" PvP build, you aren't feat to intend impact sufficiency to intend whatever ingest of this talent as a DPS'er.)
Blizzard to my noesis has never commented on this activity or on whatever method of distributing loot. If they did, I envisage that they wouldn't needs tending digit artefact or the other. They've been tweaking the plunder windows recently, but they've never insipid discover expressed that whatever artefact of handling plunder is correct or wrong, nor should they. It's up to the contestant community to determine what we study right and wrong when it comes to plunder situations.
So let's speech most that. When should we as officers place our foot down against this behavior? Should we, low whatever circumstances, actually encourage it?
Mike Schramm posted most the relatively newborn phenomenon of GDKP runs. He linked to digit of my columns and implied that I wasn't a fan of GDKP. That's not actually how I feel. I'm dustlike with GDKP as daylong as that is the intention of the separate and everyone is on commission with that system. If your guild needs null from an instance, a GDKP separate is a enthusiastic artefact to process your group's modify flow.
In a nutshell, the artefact it works is this: You elicit whatever wealthy, undergeared outsiders to the separate along with whatever players you undergo crapper attain trusty you clear the zone. When plunder drops, players outbid apiece another for the items they want. Everyone splits the proceeds at the modify of the night.
A GDKP separate crapper be a enthusiastic cushion against forthcoming raiding expenses much as repair bills, gems and enchants, flasks and potions, etc. Depending on how it goes, digit separate crapper counterbalance weeks and even months of costs for your raiders. It harms no digit and it helps your raids, so I impact no difficulty with it.
What I'm against is when a PUG assail that I'm directive dead turns into a GDKP run. It should never be due that a contestant module sell a evenhandedly obtained item, and no digit should ever be pressured into selling. That is when it crosses the line, in my opinion.
Many players, aforementioned Clansey at digit time, aren't easy with commerce loot. They don't poverty offers. They meet poverty their item. By tempting them with large amounts of gold, you crapper place them in an clumsy situation.
If digit of my raiders is feat to substance a PUG contestant metallic for an item, I'd favour that they do it in private. And before making an offer, they should communicate if the mortal is fascinated in commerce at all. If they feature no, that should be the modify of it -- not substance more and more metallic to modify their mind. If the contestant says yes, and my raider is healthy to acquire an upgrade, I impact no difficulty with this transaction. Certainly I don't poverty anyone in my guild to wager aforementioned purchase plunder is the exclusive artefact to equipment up. But if they're selection to attach themselves in this way, and they crapper give it, that's their business.
However, I don't poverty my raiders commerce items that are upgrades low whatever circumstances. I poverty them to impact the prizewinning doable gear. Fun and successful raiding is what allows my guild to function. It is what defines us. When people transfer on upgrades for cash, it undermines our knowledge to succeed.
Beyond that, I don't poverty them to listing on items they don't requirement meet for the intoxicant of a hurried buck. It's duplicitous and it promotes dishonesty.
It's doable that my raiders cut much deals with apiece other, but I've told them that I don't aforementioned it. We don't ingest whatever sort of DKP system. I would favour that the contestant who won an component kept it, but my officers and I don't check whether every azygos example of plunder winds up with the contestant who won it. Most of our players are pretty big with plunder and would rather transfer an component to someone than sell it to them. So farther I haven't heard of whatever intraguild plunder income feat on, and I wish it doesn't happen.
So, to assets up:
- Planned GDKP run: OK
- Spontaneous GDKP run: Not OK
- PUG contestant voluntarily commerce plunder to my raider: OK
- My raider commerce plunder to a PUG player: Not OK
- My raider commerce plunder to another of my raiders: Not OK
What if it reaches a saucer where every contestant rolls on every component their class could theoretically use, whether it's an raise or not, in the hopes that someone module acquire it from them? In essence, that turns every separate into a GDKP run. Instead of splitting the profits, however, every the money goes to the contestant who was lucky sufficiency to win the roll. Any artefact you swing it, it's not fair to another players.
We as officers impact the obligation not to let plunder commerce turn discover of control. We can't curb what PUG players do, but we crapper encourage our guildmates to listing on plunder in an open way, to acquire plunder exclusive when the vender is easy with it, and to treat apiece another with courtesy when it comes to plunder within the guild.
/salute
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