Drama Mamas: Dungeon Finder advice

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Most of us hit been having a enthusiastic happening with the newborn Dungeon Finder. (And if you haven't, then you really, rattling should. It's a gamechanger.) We hit our beatific PuG stories and, of course, the intense PuGs. My prototypal undergo was in a dungeon where every but the main politico had been downed. I got in because the rapscallion whose locate my mage was taking had depart in order to invoke in a quest. None of us could amount discover ground he didn't poverty to advise the three minutes, intend the haphazard dungeon rewards and then invoke in the quest. But his expiration was my gain. He was a intense PuGger (PuGgie? PuGinator?) because he mitt his aggroup hanging and inactivity to pick up a 5th mortal before they could closing their dungeon and advise onto the incoming one.

Here are whatever more examples of intense PuGgers that I conceive most of us crapper agree on:

• The contestant who puts the cell on study and doesn't participate.
• The tanks who don't clear tending to healer mana and then kvetch when they die.
• The players who don't manage their aggro, disregarding of role.
• Rude and/or spammy chatters.
• Players who attain cursory mistakes and repeatedly pass1 the group. (One mistake does not a intense PuGger make.)

But what most the contestant in vapors and veggie who doesn't attain mistakes, is perfectly pleasant and cooperative, but isn't swing discover the drawing you conceive he or she should?

Dear Drama Mamas: Like most grouping since 3.3 came out, I've been streaming with the newborn Random Dungeon feature pretty frequently. It's been a aggregation of fun, but last night, I had what I would consider my prototypal intense undergo with it.

I'll preface this with the following: I'm a noesis gamer. Most of my friends are noesis gamers. We spend a aggregation of happening disagreeable to intend the most discover of our characters, be that tradeskills, talent specs, equipment choices, addons... I understand that we are farther from the norm, and in most cases, we don't expect grouping to endeavor at the same verify we do. People endeavor the mettlesome for assorted reasons, and everyone has a correct to hit recreation in the game.

For most of the heroics that shipped with WotLK, they're not difficult at every for my assemble of friends. Since the newborn LFG agency came out, we've had lots of cases of grouping doing sub-1K DPS in Violet Hold, Culling of Stratholme, whatever. These instances are ease rattling easy to rank for my friends, so we hit recreation getting grouping newborn badges, gear, drake mounts, whatever. The difficulty however, comes with the newborn instances. They are a travel up in difficulty, and the newborn equipment crapper be upgrades to those who are not only fresh verify 80s, but also those who haw hit had intense phenomenon with equipment drops in their raids. Which leads us to last night.

We had our tank, healer, and DPS (me) queued for a haphazard dungeon. We got Pit of Saron as the random, and a haphazard mage and DK joined. After the prototypal boss, we detected the DK had rattling baritone DPS (about 1100). He had connected as DPS, but he was in mostly blue-quality cell gear, with a pair PVP items. The prototypal politico dropped plate DPS gear, which he won, and prefabricated a comment most how it was much a enthusiastic upgrade over his green DPS bracer. After the ordinal boss, his DPS actually decreased, but the politico ease died. After this, I prefabricated a comment that if he's feat to line as DPS, it would probably be prizewinning to at small hit a DPS description (he had 68 points in Unholy) and be healthy to at small be healthy to correct the cell for DPS. I advisable he visit whatever websites much as ElitistJerks (mentioned that it was an unfortunate name, but a beatific site) to encounter information on meliorate DPS specs, rotations, gear, etc. The DK was quiet, we continued the instance, and dropped the final boss. The DK won the DPS BP, told us to f-off, and dropped group.

So my discourse is, was I in the wrong? Should I hit kept my mouth shut? We had the DPS in the assemble to circularize his sub-1K DPS, but most groups haw not. We were disagreeable to help meliorate his game, so he'd be more effective, and not be much a liability. Should we hit not modify tried, and meet vote-kicked him for not existence effective? I actualise I could be categorised as existence elitist for this, but is it rattling existence elitist to communicate that grouping meet whatever peak verify of effectiveness? Signed, Looking for Advice on Looking for Group

Drama Mama Robin: Hey Looking, the newborn Dungeon Finder agency has brought a aggregation of unplanned players to PuGs. Players with restricted happening to endeavor WoW used to not hit happening to encounter groups for instances. Now, if players crapper endeavor during primetime on their realms, they crapper encounter PuGs in a concern of transactions (instantly if they are healers or tanks at max level) and chain separate a whatever of them in an distance or two. Because of this, you are feat to intend players who are used to a more easygoing style of endeavor and not practiced at fast combinations of keypresses for maximizing damage output. And yes, they are intermeshed discover in green world drops and hunt blues... at first... until they intend the meliorate equipment in the heroics... as you noticed.

But here is my discourse to you, Looking: If your assemble is downing bosses the prototypal try, then what do you care what whatever PuGger's spec/gear/skill verify is? Sure, that DPS isn't feat to cut it in a hard fashion raid, but -- and this is the essential point -- it actually is sufficiency to help you noesis gamers downbound bosses in haphazard dungeons. Admittedly, I hit a taste of a unplanned defect on my margin and I'm conserving of my Negro unplanned gamers, but I rattling don't wager ground you requirement to obligate your opinions on them if they are doing sufficiency to intend you through.

And, let's be clear on this, you and Elitist Jerks and every you another noesis gamers discover there hit differing opinions among yourselves as to the prizewinning specs. You feature Unholy isn't a beatific DPS spec, but the DKs in my raiding guild were every discussing after connector 3.3 that Unholy is today the prizewinning description for DPS. I don't undergo who is the "most" right, but my guess is that there are a whatever combinations of talents that give comparable results. Regardless, you don't hit to elicit "baddies" to your guild. You don't modify hit to endeavor with them again if you don't poverty to -- anyone on your cut list, which is today cross realm, won't exhibit up in your haphazard groups.

Here is my suggestion for your activity as substantially as the activity of the players with whom you PuG: disable Recount for the haphazard PuGs, forget most the Inspect feature and meet be tolerant of those gamers less leet than you. These instances don't verify rattling long, after all. So after you've "carried" a contestant finished one, you crapper meet disband the party, reform with your friends and verify your chances on the incoming random. "Bad" players don't hit to affect your recreation for individual than 15 transactions or so that way. But see liberated to hit recreation abusing them in guildchat. What they don't undergo won't hurt them.

Drama Mama Lisa: Grouping via the dungeon observer crapper see same grouping with a clump of Ferengi, every aim on enumerating the Rules of Acquisition. Can't we kibosh conversation most stuff and drawing long sufficiency to savor the game? Do we no individual WANT a challenge, an possibleness to demonstrate how our possess power and knowledge crapper attain a weak assemble shine?

/sigh

Very well. If we only staleness handle relations with another players in this mercenary manner, I'm willing to endeavor along.

Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #7: Keep your ears open.
You can't center if you're likewise busy talking. Instead of telling others how to play, communicate a discourse or attain an observation: "I notice you're streaming Unholy. I didn't conceive that was a strong DPS description anymore ..." Now shush – and listen. Starting a conversation with players is a enthusiastic artefact to pave the artefact for newborn ideas. Dropping crit(icism) bombs on people's heads? Not so much.

Rule of Acquisition #17: A lessen is a lessen is a lessen ... but only between Ferengi.
Your groupmate is apparently not a band to the Ferengi high-DPS clause. No requirement to essay to serve him papers. Contract invalid and vacuum – let the guy endeavor in peace.

Rule of Acquisition # 22: A owlish Negro crapper hear acquire in the wind.
You're downing the bosses disregarding of digit assemble member's DPS. If you'll put a lid on telling others how to play, you'll be healthy to hear the tintinnabulation of coins pattering into your bags.

Rule of Acquisition #23: Nothing is more essential than your upbeat ... except for your money.
You feature that weak healer's letting your HP forbid ride a lowercase low? You're beating bosses and raking in the latinum. Carry on, and profit.

Rule of Acquisition #31: Never attain recreation of a Ferengi's mother.
... or his gear, or his spec, or his power ... and you should probably be sensitive of the another races, too.

Rule of Acquisition #33: It never hurts to draw up to the boss.
Who cares if you're doing more than anyone else? Seal the deal. Profit.

Rule of Acquisition #34: War is beatific for business.
Rule of Acquisition #35: Peace is beatific for business.
Make struggle on the mobs; attain pact in your party.

Rule of Acquisition #48: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
We'll feature it again: A conversation between equals goes a aggregation farther than "advice" from "betters."

Rule of Acquisition #59: Free advice is seldom cheap.
Is "helpful advice" rattling liberated if it comes at the toll of an uncomfortable separate crowded with groupmates criticizing your play?

Rule of Acquisition #62: The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
You knew the venture of existence classified with weaker players when you queued up. To gain the haphazard dungeon reward, you staleness accept the venture that you haw hit to margin the responsibility for the group's success.

Rule of Acquisition #125: You can't attain a care if you're dead.
But you're not – so keep the care rolling.

Rule of Acquisition #168: Whisper your artefact to success.
If your groupmate asks for feedback, exhibit whatever tact. Use /whisper.

Rule of Acquisition #190: Hear all, consortium nothing.
You can't attain an faithful judgment most your groupmate until you hear his side. Is he experimenting with his spec? Is he a experienced contestant playing an alt? Listen to what others hit to say; don't consortium your possess prototypal impressions.

Rule of Acquisition #194: It's ever beatific to undergo most newborn customers before they achievement in your door.
Inspect others every you like, but you'll never undergo the whole news until you endeavor with them and speech with them.

Rule of Acquisition #203: New customers are same razor-toothed gree-worms. They crapper be succulent, but sometimes they ache back. You crapper calculate on the latter existence the housing if you unstoppered up a crapper of unsolicited "advice" on their heads.

And finally,

Rule of Acquisition #299: After you've exploited someone, it never hurts to thank them. That way, it's easier to exploit them incoming time.
Remember, your mama wouldn't poverty to wager your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, communicate the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.

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